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25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump
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Ubiquitous
2024-09-11 20:30:56 UTC
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.

Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.

1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.

2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.

That is not true. Data produced by the IRS has shown that "on average all
income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not
the top 1 percent," according to Justin Haskins, writing in The Hill.

3. Trump 'Sales Tax'
Harris claimed Trump will implement a "sales tax." Trump has not pledged to
do such a thing if elected president.

4. Jan. 6
Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol was the
"worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War."

Contrary to Harris' claim, the J6 events did not put American self-governance
in jeopardy, nor did it expose Americans to risks like those experienced
during World War I, the Japanese attacks on Pearl Harbor, or World War II, to
name a few.

5. Project 2025
Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump has
repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.

6. Just Restoring Roe
When asked whether she supports any restrictions on abortion, Harris dodged
the question, instead claiming that she "absolutely support[s] reinstating
the protections of Roe v Wade."

Moments before that, however, Harris pledged to sign legislation such as the
ill-named "Women's Health Protection Act," which would codify abortion
through all nine months of pregnancy. In addition to her history of co-
sponsoring the original version of that legislation, Harris also voted
against protections for babies born alive after botched abortions.

7. Pro-Life Laws Criminalize Miscarriages, Ectopic Pregnancies
Harris claimed that several states have "Trump abortion bans" that "make it
criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care," threaten women with
prison time, and "make no exception, even for rape or incest."

The lifesaving laws designed to protect thousands of innocents every year
from elective abortions, however, do not criminalize treatments for
spontaneous loss or complications. In fact, every single pro-life policy on
the books includes exceptions for abortion when it is deemed necessary to
save the life of a pregnant woman.

8. Trump's Abortion Stance
Trump, Harris told Americans on Tuesday night, will sign a national abortion
ban and hire a national "abortion ... monitor that would be monitoring your
pregnancies, your miscarriages" if he is elected.

The Republican's 2024 abortion platform, however, explicitly states decisions
about ending life in the womb should be left "up to the states" and mentions
nothing about crowning a national pro-life coordinator. The GOP presidential
nominee has also sworn multiple times that he would not sign federal
legislation curbing abortion.

9. Ninth Month Abortions Don't Exist
Harris also used her time on the debate stage to assert that "nowhere in
America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion."

"That is not happening. It's insulting to the women of America," Harris
claimed.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, however, shows that
thousands of abortions are performed after 21 weeks gestation. The CDC's
findings do not include reporting from at least four abortion-friendly states
(California, Maryland, New Hampshire, and New Jersey), which suggests the
number of late-term abortions in the U.S. is likely much higher.

10. Border Bill
Harris claimed a congressional border bill proposed earlier this year would
have stemmed illegal immigration and fentanyl at the U.S. southern border.

That statement is categorically false. The bipartisan measure would have
enshrined the existing invasion into federal law.

11. SCOTUS Immunity Ruling
Harris mischaracterized the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
claiming the decision would mean that Trump "would essentially be immune from
any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again."

The vice president's claim is misleading at best. While a majority of
justices determined that a U.S. president possesses "absolute immunity" for
"actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority" and
"at least presumptive immunity" for "official acts," they separately noted
that "[t]here is no immunity for unofficial acts."

The justices further remanded the Biden-Harris Justice Department's get-Trump
lawfare back to the lower courts to determine whether the actions alleged by
Special Counsel Jack Smith constitute "official acts."

12. Fracking Ban
Kamala Harris claimed she made herself "very clear in 2020."

"I will not ban fracking," she said.

But her position was clearly against fracking as she ran for her party's 2020
presidential nomination when she said, "There is no question I'm in favor of
banning fracking."

13. Minnesota Rioters Bail Fund
Harris seemingly denied that she undertook efforts to bail out left-wing
rioters following the 2020 death of George Floyd.

"She went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people,
that burned down Minneapolis -- she went out and raised money to get them out
of jail," Trump said, as Harris shook her head.

As The Federalist's Jordan Boyd previously noted, "Accused rapists, repeat
offenders, and rioters alike benefitted in June 2020 when Harris encouraged
her social media followers to donate to a bail fund dedicated to those
arrested for their months-long, $2 billion siege of cities like Minneapolis."

14. Trump's Role in J6
Harris claimed that Trump "incited" the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S.
Capitol.

That is false. Trump specifically told protestors to "peacefully and
patriotically make [their] voices heard" and sought to deploy 10,000 National
Guard troops to the Capitol ahead of Congress's certification of the 2020
election results.

15. J6 Deaths
Harris claimed that "some" police officers died as a result of the
demonstrations at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

That is false. For example, medical examiners determined that Officer Brian
Sicknick died of natural causes -- not from the violence perpetrated on Jan.
6.

16. 'Fine People' Hoax
Harris repeated the debunked lie that Trump praised white supremacists
marching in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 when he said there were "fine
people on both sides."

This is false, as Trump was referring to both sides of the debate on whether
to allow historic monuments to remain standing.

17. 'Bloodbath' Hoax
Harris regurgitated the false narrative that Trump claimed there would be a
"bloodbath" if he loses this November.

The vice president took Trump out of context. The 45th president was not
calling for violence but was discussing the economic disaster that awaits
Americans if Democrats win the election.

18. Trump's NATO Comments
Harris distorted the former president's remarks by claiming he told Russia it
could "do whatever the hell [it] wants" regarding Ukraine.

Harris took the former president out of context. Trump's remarks came during
a South Carolina rally, during which he recounted a story from when he was
president and speaking with a NATO member. Trump purportedly indicated that
he would withhold U.S. support if the member didn't pay its minimum defense
spending obligations.

"'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'" Trump recalled telling the
unidentified NATO member. "'No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would
encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta
pay your bills.'"

19. Autocrats' Preferences for President
Harris claimed that the world's autocratic leaders are pulling for Trump to
win. While there is no definitive way for Harris to know this for most
leaders, Russian President Vladimir Putin did publicly throw his support
behind Harris' presidential bid last week.

20. Combat Zones
Harris claimed that "there is not one member of the United States military
who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world [for]
the first time this century."

That isn't true. As noted by former U.S. Rep. Peter Meijer, R-Mich., the
United States has "troops in Syria and Iraq who are routinely attacked by
Iran-backed militias."

"Three soldiers were killed in Jordan earlier this year!" he wrote on X.

21. Blaming Trump for Biden's Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal
Harris attempted to pin the Biden-Harris administration's botched Afghanistan
withdrawal, which got 13 U.S.service members killed, on Trump.

"Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you
can imagine," Harris claimed.

That isn't true. According to a report recently released by Republicans on
the House Foreign Affairs Committee, "The evidence proves President Biden's
decision to withdraw all U.S. troops was not based on the security situation,
the Doha Agreement, or the advice of his senior national security advisors or
our allies. Rather, it was premised on his longstanding and unyielding
opinion that the United States should no longer be in Afghanistan."

22. Gun Confiscation
Harris claimed that she doesn't support mandatory gun confiscation.

That is false. She has openly expressed support for such a policy.

23. Trump's Foreign Policy Record
Harris claimed, "Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and
foreign policy."

That is false. Under Trump's administration the U.S. southern border was
secure, and America facilitated multiple peace agreements between Israel and
Arab states. Under the Biden-Harris administration, Russia invaded Ukraine,
Iran-backed Hamas launched a terrorist attack on Israel, and China has ramped
up its threats toward Taiwan, the Philippines, and Japan.

24. Defunding the Police
Harris shook her head and claimed, "That's not true," when confronted by
Trump over her past support for defunding the police.

As noted by ABC News, however, Harris previously expressed support for
"reimagin[ing]" policing and "redirect[ing] resources" from police toward
what the outlet described as "other areas of government [such as] schools and
small businesses."

25. IVF
In an attempt to link Democrats' abortion goals with in vitro fertilization,
Harris claimed that "under Donald Trump's abortion bans ... couples who pray
and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments."

Trump, however, has openly touted IVF and even promised that he would make
taxpayers fund it.

--
Islam is a peaceful religion, just as long as the women are beaten,
the boys buggered and the infidels are killed.
John Doe
2024-09-13 14:57:58 UTC
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.

Now do Trump.
Post by Ubiquitous
That is not true. Data produced by the IRS has shown that "on average all
income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not
the top 1 percent," according to Justin Haskins, writing in The Hill.
3. Trump 'Sales Tax'
Harris claimed Trump will implement a "sales tax." Trump has not pledged to
do such a thing if elected president.
4. Jan. 6
Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol was the
"worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War."
Contrary to Harris' claim, the J6 events did not put American self-governance
in jeopardy, nor did it expose Americans to risks like those experienced
during World War I, the Japanese attacks on Pearl Harbor, or World War II, to
name a few.
5. Project 2025
Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump has
repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.
6. Just Restoring Roe
When asked whether she supports any restrictions on abortion, Harris dodged
the question, instead claiming that she "absolutely support[s] reinstating
the protections of Roe v Wade."
Moments before that, however, Harris pledged to sign legislation such as the
ill-named "Women's Health Protection Act," which would codify abortion
through all nine months of pregnancy. In addition to her history of co-
sponsoring the original version of that legislation, Harris also voted
against protections for babies born alive after botched abortions.
7. Pro-Life Laws Criminalize Miscarriages, Ectopic Pregnancies
Harris claimed that several states have "Trump abortion bans" that "make it
criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care," threaten women with
prison time, and "make no exception, even for rape or incest."
The lifesaving laws designed to protect thousands of innocents every year
from elective abortions, however, do not criminalize treatments for
spontaneous loss or complications. In fact, every single pro-life policy on
the books includes exceptions for abortion when it is deemed necessary to
save the life of a pregnant woman.
8. Trump's Abortion Stance
Trump, Harris told Americans on Tuesday night, will sign a national abortion
ban and hire a national "abortion ... monitor that would be monitoring your
pregnancies, your miscarriages" if he is elected.
The Republican's 2024 abortion platform, however, explicitly states decisions
about ending life in the womb should be left "up to the states" and mentions
nothing about crowning a national pro-life coordinator. The GOP presidential
nominee has also sworn multiple times that he would not sign federal
legislation curbing abortion.
9. Ninth Month Abortions Don't Exist
Harris also used her time on the debate stage to assert that "nowhere in
America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion."
"That is not happening. It's insulting to the women of America," Harris
claimed.
Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, however, shows that
thousands of abortions are performed after 21 weeks gestation. The CDC's
findings do not include reporting from at least four abortion-friendly states
(California, Maryland, New Hampshire, and New Jersey), which suggests the
number of late-term abortions in the U.S. is likely much higher.
10. Border Bill
Harris claimed a congressional border bill proposed earlier this year would
have stemmed illegal immigration and fentanyl at the U.S. southern border.
That statement is categorically false. The bipartisan measure would have
enshrined the existing invasion into federal law.
11. SCOTUS Immunity Ruling
Harris mischaracterized the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity,
claiming the decision would mean that Trump "would essentially be immune from
any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again."
The vice president's claim is misleading at best. While a majority of
justices determined that a U.S. president possesses "absolute immunity" for
"actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority" and
"at least presumptive immunity" for "official acts," they separately noted
that "[t]here is no immunity for unofficial acts."
The justices further remanded the Biden-Harris Justice Department's get-Trump
lawfare back to the lower courts to determine whether the actions alleged by
Special Counsel Jack Smith constitute "official acts."
12. Fracking Ban
Kamala Harris claimed she made herself "very clear in 2020."
"I will not ban fracking," she said.
But her position was clearly against fracking as she ran for her party's 2020
presidential nomination when she said, "There is no question I'm in favor of
banning fracking."
13. Minnesota Rioters Bail Fund
Harris seemingly denied that she undertook efforts to bail out left-wing
rioters following the 2020 death of George Floyd.
"She went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people,
that burned down Minneapolis -- she went out and raised money to get them out
of jail," Trump said, as Harris shook her head.
As The Federalist's Jordan Boyd previously noted, "Accused rapists, repeat
offenders, and rioters alike benefitted in June 2020 when Harris encouraged
her social media followers to donate to a bail fund dedicated to those
arrested for their months-long, $2 billion siege of cities like Minneapolis."
14. Trump's Role in J6
Harris claimed that Trump "incited" the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S.
Capitol.
That is false. Trump specifically told protestors to "peacefully and
patriotically make [their] voices heard" and sought to deploy 10,000 National
Guard troops to the Capitol ahead of Congress's certification of the 2020
election results.
15. J6 Deaths
Harris claimed that "some" police officers died as a result of the
demonstrations at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
That is false. For example, medical examiners determined that Officer Brian
Sicknick died of natural causes -- not from the violence perpetrated on Jan.
6.
16. 'Fine People' Hoax
Harris repeated the debunked lie that Trump praised white supremacists
marching in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 when he said there were "fine
people on both sides."
This is false, as Trump was referring to both sides of the debate on whether
to allow historic monuments to remain standing.
17. 'Bloodbath' Hoax
Harris regurgitated the false narrative that Trump claimed there would be a
"bloodbath" if he loses this November.
The vice president took Trump out of context. The 45th president was not
calling for violence but was discussing the economic disaster that awaits
Americans if Democrats win the election.
18. Trump's NATO Comments
Harris distorted the former president's remarks by claiming he told Russia it
could "do whatever the hell [it] wants" regarding Ukraine.
Harris took the former president out of context. Trump's remarks came during
a South Carolina rally, during which he recounted a story from when he was
president and speaking with a NATO member. Trump purportedly indicated that
he would withhold U.S. support if the member didn't pay its minimum defense
spending obligations.
"'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'" Trump recalled telling the
unidentified NATO member. "'No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would
encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta
pay your bills.'"
19. Autocrats' Preferences for President
Harris claimed that the world's autocratic leaders are pulling for Trump to
win. While there is no definitive way for Harris to know this for most
leaders, Russian President Vladimir Putin did publicly throw his support
behind Harris' presidential bid last week.
20. Combat Zones
Harris claimed that "there is not one member of the United States military
who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world [for]
the first time this century."
That isn't true. As noted by former U.S. Rep. Peter Meijer, R-Mich., the
United States has "troops in Syria and Iraq who are routinely attacked by
Iran-backed militias."
"Three soldiers were killed in Jordan earlier this year!" he wrote on X.
21. Blaming Trump for Biden's Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal
Harris attempted to pin the Biden-Harris administration's botched Afghanistan
withdrawal, which got 13 U.S.service members killed, on Trump.
"Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you
can imagine," Harris claimed.
That isn't true. According to a report recently released by Republicans on
the House Foreign Affairs Committee, "The evidence proves President Biden's
decision to withdraw all U.S. troops was not based on the security situation,
the Doha Agreement, or the advice of his senior national security advisors or
our allies. Rather, it was premised on his longstanding and unyielding
opinion that the United States should no longer be in Afghanistan."
22. Gun Confiscation
Harris claimed that she doesn't support mandatory gun confiscation.
That is false. She has openly expressed support for such a policy.
23. Trump's Foreign Policy Record
Harris claimed, "Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and
foreign policy."
That is false. Under Trump's administration the U.S. southern border was
secure, and America facilitated multiple peace agreements between Israel and
Arab states. Under the Biden-Harris administration, Russia invaded Ukraine,
Iran-backed Hamas launched a terrorist attack on Israel, and China has ramped
up its threats toward Taiwan, the Philippines, and Japan.
24. Defunding the Police
Harris shook her head and claimed, "That's not true," when confronted by
Trump over her past support for defunding the police.
As noted by ABC News, however, Harris previously expressed support for
"reimagin[ing]" policing and "redirect[ing] resources" from police toward
what the outlet described as "other areas of government [such as] schools and
small businesses."
25. IVF
In an attempt to link Democrats' abortion goals with in vitro fertilization,
Harris claimed that "under Donald Trump's abortion bans ... couples who pray
and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments."
Trump, however, has openly touted IVF and even promised that he would make
taxpayers fund it.
--
Islam is a peaceful religion, just as long as the women are beaten,
the boys buggered and the infidels are killed.
Grimble Crumble
2024-09-13 15:38:25 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors made,
at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s' dollars
($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER middle
class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class

Yet another example of an attempt to be relatable just coming off wrong.
Post by John Doe
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2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
Post by John Doe
Now do Trump.
That's your job
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Post by Ubiquitous
That is not true. Data produced by the IRS has shown that "on average all
income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not
the top 1 percent," according to Justin Haskins, writing in The Hill.
Data:
<https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/Trumps%20Tax%20Cuts%20Policy%20Paper.pdf>
Lou Bricano
2024-09-13 16:13:53 UTC
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class.
Bullshit.
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Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
John Doe
2024-09-13 16:25:48 UTC
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class.
Bullshit.
Exactly. When the "Lie" if any is that she said middle instead of upper
middle, you know they are really having to reach.
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2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
True. Trump did put in a TEMPORARY middle class cut to make the deal
seem sweeter, but the billionaire and corporate cuts were PERMANENT.
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
In my world, when someone makes simply outrageous claims, they have to
make them up with some actual reasoning. But I'm sure the list will go
down great with the true believers.
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There was no argument.
Grimble Crumble
2024-09-14 02:35:37 UTC
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]

Why did you ignore my argument again?

I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
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2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
It saved lower income familes hundreds of dollars (they're not even taxed
1k). What it did not do is "nothing" to people.
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
The 23 other lies? I get that you don't want to waste too much of your
time, but you can't imply them as lies without addressing them.
NoBody
2024-09-14 13:24:58 UTC
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Post by Lou Bricano
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Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
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2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
It saved lower income familes hundreds of dollars (they're not even taxed
1k). What it did not do is "nothing" to people.
You're missing the middle class in calculations. I know I received a
noticeable reduction in taxes.
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Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
The 23 other lies? I get that you don't want to waste too much of your
time, but you can't imply them as lies without addressing them.
Given that your response was weak on the existing lies put out, why
would he waste time listing the others?
Grimble Crumble
2024-09-14 21:17:41 UTC
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Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.

In addition, it's actually difficult to tell whether she was upper or
upper-middle. The upper class' wealth is characterized through assets or
companies; while all middle and working classes through employment. That
being said, Kamala's mom made double the amount of money as the middle
class did back then.

This means her statement is still misleading, as she tried to come off as
having lived modestly and relatably. The normal upper middle class doesn't
live modestly let alone Kamala's mom who had double the income as one.
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
It saved lower income familes hundreds of dollars (they're not even taxed
1k). What it did not do is "nothing" to people.
You're missing the middle class in calculations. I know I received a
noticeable reduction in taxes.
Fair enough. I thought I was proving it more by saying it even saved lower
working class families quite a bit. The truth about the cuts is that it
saves the upper and middle classes a similar (pretty high) percentage, and
the percentage goes up a lot at the working classes to save them real
money. Because the upper classes have A TON of money, it will save them
more raw dollars, but you can only save so much from the lower middle class
and below.
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
The 23 other lies? I get that you don't want to waste too much of your
time, but you can't imply them as lies without addressing them.
Given that your response was weak on the existing lies put out, why
would he waste time listing the others?
What you said about putting the incomes together was implied by my
argument. In fact, someone argued against that implication (and told me
they were divorced). The second point wasn't weak, but it could have been
stronger by using the middle class as an example. He'd still have to prove
that the data is wrong (not biased, but wrong).

However, even assuming my points were weak, it would be fallacious to
assume that I couldn't argue against the other points. Why? because these
25 "lies" are very diverse, and cover multiple topics. If they were all
about 1 topic, maybe you can say that, but they aren't.
Lou Bricano
2024-09-14 21:28:20 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
Governor Swill
2024-09-15 01:52:15 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
How much money you have is not the same as how you get it.

If you go to work and earn a salary, even if it's a relatively high one, it's
still middle class.

When significant portions of your income is other than paid salary, things like
"carried interest", stock option sales and other cap gains mechanisms, you've
reached investor class status and your tax rates drop.

Should tips ever become tax free, look for every executive in the country to
suddenly start being paid "gratuities" instead of salaries and bonuses. That's
why Trump wants to make tips tax free, so the rich can recharacterize their
income.

Now, if he really wanted to do something for tipped *workers*, they'd set a cap
on the amount of tip income that can be not taxed. Other methods to prevent
abuse can be used.

21:15 Claims all he did was return abortion to the states. Claims also that
every legal scholar, every Dem, every Rep, every voter wanted abortion returned
to the states and that's all he did.
--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump
Skeeter
2024-09-15 13:23:58 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
John Doe
2024-09-15 14:11:39 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
TruthBarker
2024-09-15 14:44:38 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Grimble Crumble
2024-09-15 20:43:07 UTC
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Post by NoBody
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald
Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy
positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout
the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Was I wrong though? For those who don't know: Kamala's mom's job made
$38,000 dollars salary every year. Middle class was around $20k.
--
"Do not come; do not come"
"I'm gonna come!"
https://youtube.com/shorts/oC8wQAscVKY?si=EUAnZarWPttn7XSd
Governor Swill
2024-09-16 00:48:20 UTC
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Post by NoBody
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald
Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy
positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout
the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical
scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Was I wrong though? For those who don't know: Kamala's mom's job made
$38,000 dollars salary every year. Middle class was around $20k.
So? It's still working class, not investor class.
--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump
Grimble Crumble
2024-09-16 01:17:16 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald
Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy
positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout
the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical
scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in
the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Was I wrong though? For those who don't know: Kamala's mom's job made
$38,000 dollars salary every year. Middle class was around $20k.
So? It's still working class, not investor class.
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person. She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
--
"Do not come; do not come"
"I'm gonna come!"
https://youtube.com/shorts/oC8wQAscVKY?si=EUAnZarWPttn7XSd
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
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Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald
Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy
positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout
the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical
scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in
the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources
Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for
1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the
UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made
in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I
wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Was I wrong though? For those who don't know: Kamala's mom's job made
$38,000 dollars salary every year. Middle class was around $20k.
So? It's still working class, not investor class.
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person. She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
Nobody gives a damn about your class definition, it is simply deplorable.
Grimble Crumble
2024-09-16 17:31:01 UTC
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Post by Lou Bricano
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Post by NoBody
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald
Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy
positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout
the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical
scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in
the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources
Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>,
professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for
1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the
UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's
Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made
in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I
wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in
70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She
didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Was I wrong though? For those who don't know: Kamala's mom's job made
$38,000 dollars salary every year. Middle class was around $20k.
So? It's still working class, not investor class.
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person. She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
Nobody gives a damn about your class definition, it is simply deplorable.
You give no reason why my statements are wrong, and just call it deplorable
every time. "No one gives a damn" doesn't work, because we wouldn't be
arguing, if that were true.

You when someone beats your argument:

<https://ibb.co/4VQPwNt>
--
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"I'm gonna come!"
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TruthBarker
2024-09-17 11:21:49 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Post by Skeeter
Post by Lou Bricano
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Post by NoBody
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald
Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy
positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout
the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical
scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in
the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources
Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>,
professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for
1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the
UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's
Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made
in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I
wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in
70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She
didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Was I wrong though? For those who don't know: Kamala's mom's job made
$38,000 dollars salary every year. Middle class was around $20k.
So? It's still working class, not investor class.
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person. She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
Nobody gives a damn about your class definition, it is simply deplorable.
You give no reason why my statements are wrong, and just call it deplorable
every time. "No one gives a damn" doesn't work, because we wouldn't be
arguing, if that were true.
I am not making an argument, I am making a statement that you are
deplorable
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<https://ibb.co/4VQPwNt>
more deplorable stuff from you
Governor Swill
2024-09-17 03:34:59 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Post by Skeeter
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by NoBody
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald
Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy
positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout
the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical
scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in
the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources
Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>,
professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for
1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the
UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's
Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made
in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I
wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in
70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She
didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Was I wrong though? For those who don't know: Kamala's mom's job made
$38,000 dollars salary every year. Middle class was around $20k.
So? It's still working class, not investor class.
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person. She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
Nobody gives a damn about your class definition, it is simply deplorable.
Why are you being so nasty?

His point is well taken and we are enjoying a rare civil discussion.
--
Where's Melania?
TruthBarker
2024-09-17 11:21:46 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Post by Skeeter
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by NoBody
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President
Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald
Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate
moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy
positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout
the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is
not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was
a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical
scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in
the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources
Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>,
professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for
1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the
UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's
Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made
in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I
wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in
70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She
didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
This conspiracy theory was put forward by a total liar, Crimble Grumble.
The rest of the deplorables are coming to his aid.
Was I wrong though? For those who don't know: Kamala's mom's job made
$38,000 dollars salary every year. Middle class was around $20k.
So? It's still working class, not investor class.
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person. She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
Nobody gives a damn about your class definition, it is simply deplorable.
Why are you being so nasty?
I have my reasons, I don’t have to tell you
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His point is well taken and we are enjoying a rare civil discussion.
Let me not stop you kissing his behind.
Governor Swill
2024-09-17 19:08:47 UTC
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Let me not stop you kissing his behind.
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Governor Swill
2024-09-17 03:34:09 UTC
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Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't. Harris, as a public servant, did not make a huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours. Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.

I make everything better
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SXdeKTBjLYM>
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Grimble Crumble
2024-09-17 15:52:30 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't. Harris, as a public servant, did not make a huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as a
"middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours. Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.

I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class. She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time). She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Post by Governor Swill
I make everything better
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SXdeKTBjLYM>
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"I'm gonna come!"
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Governor Swill
2024-09-17 19:14:30 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't. Harris, as a public servant, did not make a huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as a
"middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong. You're a Trump supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie. Harris was raised middle class,
not wealthy. Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours. Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks. Ditto Harris. While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class. It was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.

If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.

My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
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John Doe
2024-09-17 22:29:30 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't. Harris, as a public servant, did not make a huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as a
"middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong. You're a Trump supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie. Harris was raised middle class,
not wealthy. Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours. Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks. Ditto Harris. While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class. It was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
When these guys are splitting the tiniest hairs and their guy is openly
a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist, they are obviously getting
desperate. Very sad that they put party so far ahead of country or they
are doing Putin's work.
Post by Governor Swill
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
Grimble Crumble
2024-09-18 03:05:17 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't. Harris, as a public servant, did not make a huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as a
"middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong. You're a Trump supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie. Harris was raised middle class,
not wealthy. Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours. Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks. Ditto Harris. While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class. It was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for a
couple of reasons:

1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.

2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
--
"Do not come; do not come"
"I'm gonna come!"
https://youtube.com/shorts/oC8wQAscVKY?si=EUAnZarWPttn7XSd
Lou Bricano
2024-09-18 05:27:50 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't. Harris, as a public servant, did not make a huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as a
"middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong. You're a Trump supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie. Harris was raised middle class,
not wealthy. Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours. Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks. Ditto Harris. While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class. It was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for a
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just middle, she
grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is not in rational dispute.

Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his mouth. He
inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His daddy bought his way
into Wharton when he *clearly* was not academically qualified. Trump grew up
filthy rich and enjoyed all the undeserved privileges of it. Harris did not. End
Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated multiple
times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The debunking of these lies
had occurred in many cases weeks if not months earlier. The moderators did not
have to do any web searches on these Trump lies — they already knew that they
were lies, and what the truth is. If Trump were clever enough to tell new lies,
which of course he isn't, the moderators would not have said a word about them.

Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know what many of
his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
John Doe
2024-09-18 13:30:10 UTC
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Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the
traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't.  Harris, as a public servant, did not make a
huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as a
"middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong.  You're a Trump
supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie.  Harris was raised
middle class,
not wealthy.  Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.  These
are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours.  Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain
the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks.  Ditto Harris.
While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class.  It was
also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for a
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just
middle, she grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is not
in rational dispute.
Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his
mouth. He inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His daddy
bought his way into Wharton when he *clearly* was not academically
qualified. Trump grew up filthy rich and enjoyed all the undeserved
privileges of it. Harris did not. End Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated
multiple times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The
debunking of these lies had occurred in many cases weeks if not months
earlier. The moderators did not have to do any web searches on these
Trump lies — they already knew that they were lies, and what the truth
is. If Trump were clever enough to tell new lies, which of course he
isn't, the moderators would not have said a word about them.
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know what
many of his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
And his lies have real-world consequences. Right now the lies about
eating cats and dogs are ripping apart lives and having law enforcement
taken away from regular crimes and having to deal with the morons who
believe Trump.

His lies about election workers upended lives and destroyed careers.

Trump is just a vile liar and he's getting worse.
Mitchell Holman
2024-09-18 14:00:53 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through
employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the
traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't.  Harris, as a public servant, did not make a
huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as
a "middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong.  You're a Trump
supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie.  Harris was raised
middle class,
not wealthy.  Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. 
These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours.  Upper end of middle class, yes, but I
maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks.  Ditto Harris.
While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class.  It
was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just
middle, she grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is
not in rational dispute.
Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his
mouth. He inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His
daddy bought his way into Wharton when he *clearly* was not
academically qualified. Trump grew up filthy rich and enjoyed all the
undeserved privileges of it. Harris did not. End Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but
even that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small
statement that nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated
multiple times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The
debunking of these lies had occurred in many cases weeks if not
months earlier. The moderators did not have to do any web searches on
these Trump lies — they already knew that they were lies, and what
the truth is. If Trump were clever enough to tell new lies, which of
course he isn't, the moderators would not have said a word about
them.
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know
what many of his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
And his lies have real-world consequences. Right now the lies about
eating cats and dogs are ripping apart lives and having law
enforcement taken away from regular crimes and having to deal with the
morons who believe Trump.
His lies about election workers upended lives and destroyed careers.
Trump is just a vile liar and he's getting worse.
Remember when he was broadcasting
the name and addresses of staffers in
the courts he was in? People who had
done nothing to him, he just wanted his
minion to make their lives miserable.

What an evil sadistic person.
John Doe
2024-09-18 16:24:04 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through
employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the
traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't.  Harris, as a public servant, did not make a
huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as
a "middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong.  You're a Trump
supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie.  Harris was raised
middle class,
not wealthy.  Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.
These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours.  Upper end of middle class, yes, but I
maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks.  Ditto Harris.
While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class.  It
was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just
middle, she grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is
not in rational dispute.
Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his
mouth. He inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His
daddy bought his way into Wharton when he *clearly* was not
academically qualified. Trump grew up filthy rich and enjoyed all the
undeserved privileges of it. Harris did not. End Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but
even that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small
statement that nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated
multiple times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The
debunking of these lies had occurred in many cases weeks if not
months earlier. The moderators did not have to do any web searches on
these Trump lies — they already knew that they were lies, and what
the truth is. If Trump were clever enough to tell new lies, which of
course he isn't, the moderators would not have said a word about
them.
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know
what many of his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
And his lies have real-world consequences. Right now the lies about
eating cats and dogs are ripping apart lives and having law
enforcement taken away from regular crimes and having to deal with the
morons who believe Trump.
His lies about election workers upended lives and destroyed careers.
Trump is just a vile liar and he's getting worse.
Remember when he was broadcasting
the name and addresses of staffers in
the courts he was in? People who had
done nothing to him, he just wanted his
minion to make their lives miserable.
What an evil sadistic person.
Another good example. He's what they mean when they talk about people
who make their own bad luck. Karma can sometimes be slow, but Trump has
cheated and lied to so many people that he has built an enormous
reservoir of people who love to see assholes get their comeuppance.

And he poisons everyone he comes in contact with. There are now credible
reports that Don Jr. is cheating on his fiancee. And where is Melania?
Governor Swill
2024-09-19 19:35:49 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Another good example. He's what they mean when they talk about people
who make their own bad luck. Karma can sometimes be slow, but Trump has
cheated and lied to so many people that he has built an enormous
reservoir of people who love to see assholes get their comeuppance.
They wonder why the charges, why the judgments against him? Answer is simple.
Trump has made a LOT of enemies and now, they finally have the chance to get
back at him. All it takes is a summons to jury duty.
Post by John Doe
And he poisons everyone he comes in contact with. There are now credible
reports that Don Jr. is cheating on his fiancee. And where is Melania?
Staying as far from him as she can in an attempt to keep her own good name.

Apparently Trump is now using AI for ads.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NVqhoc3Wxh0>
--
Donald Trump left office with the lowest approval ratings
of any President ever. Here are 75 of the reasons why, but,
honestly, there's so much more! From exchanging love letters
with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in love."
to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry,
to the way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of
this out of their memories, but we cannot afford to forget
just how terrible Trump’s time at the White House was for this nation.
And we sure as hell can’t afford to put him back there.

So, in no particular order:

(coming soon)
citizen winston smith
2024-09-19 19:37:26 UTC
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They wonder why the charges, why the judgments
Rudey's made more than enough public death threats on President Trump
and JD Vance's family:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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Skeeter
2024-09-18 22:04:51 UTC
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says...
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through
employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't.  Harris, as a public servant, did not make a
huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as
a "middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong.  You're a Trump
supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie.  Harris was raised
middle class,
not wealthy.  Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. 
These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours.  Upper end of middle class, yes, but I
maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks.  Ditto Harris.
While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class.  It
was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just
middle, she grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is
not in rational dispute.
Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his
mouth. He inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His
daddy bought his way into Wharton when he *clearly* was not
academically qualified. Trump grew up filthy rich and enjoyed all the
undeserved privileges of it. Harris did not. End Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but
even that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small
statement that nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated
multiple times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The
debunking of these lies had occurred in many cases weeks if not
months earlier. The moderators did not have to do any web searches on
these Trump lies � they already knew that they were lies, and what
the truth is. If Trump were clever enough to tell new lies, which of
course he isn't, the moderators would not have said a word about
them.
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know
what many of his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
And his lies have real-world consequences. Right now the lies about
eating cats and dogs are ripping apart lives and having law
enforcement taken away from regular crimes and having to deal with the
morons who believe Trump.
His lies about election workers upended lives and destroyed careers.
Trump is just a vile liar and he's getting worse.
Remember when he was broadcasting
the name and addresses of staffers in
the courts he was in? People who had
done nothing to him, he just wanted his
minion to make their lives miserable.
What an evil sadistic person.
He isn't the one who posted that info. But I expect nothing less from
you to repeat a lie.
Mitchell Holman
2024-09-19 01:39:55 UTC
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says...
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't.  Harris, as a public servant, did not make a
huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as
a "middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong.  You're a Trump
supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie.  Harris was raised
middle class,
not wealthy.  Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. 
These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with
your
Post by unknown
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she
wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically
true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours.  Upper end of middle class, yes, but I
maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were
wrong,
Post by unknown
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks.  Ditto Harris.
While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class.  It
was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies
you
Post by unknown
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just
middle, she grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is
not in rational dispute.
Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his
mouth. He inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His
daddy bought his way into Wharton when he *clearly* was not
academically qualified. Trump grew up filthy rich and enjoyed all the
undeserved privileges of it. Harris did not. End Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but
even that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small
statement that nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated
multiple times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The
debunking of these lies had occurred in many cases weeks if not
months earlier. The moderators did not have to do any web searches on
these Trump lies � they already knew that they were lies, and what
the truth is. If Trump were clever enough to tell new lies, which of
course he isn't, the moderators would not have said a word about
them.
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know
what many of his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
And his lies have real-world consequences. Right now the lies about
eating cats and dogs are ripping apart lives and having law
enforcement taken away from regular crimes and having to deal with the
morons who believe Trump.
His lies about election workers upended lives and destroyed careers.
Trump is just a vile liar and he's getting worse.
Remember when he was broadcasting
the name and addresses of staffers in
the courts he was in? People who had
done nothing to him, he just wanted his
minion to make their lives miserable.
What an evil sadistic person.
He isn't the one who posted that info.
Trump Posts (Then Deletes) Attack
Against Judge’s Clerk During Trial
OCTOBER 3, 2023


On Tuesday, Trump posted — then deleted —
an attack against Engoron’s clerk, Alison
Greenfield, who was sitting in the
courtroom with the former president at
the time of the post.

While in court, Donald Trump posted
on Truth Social attacking Judge Engoron’s
clerk, calling her "Shumer’s girlfriend"
and linking to her Instagram account.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-attacks-judge-
engoron-clerk-new-york-fraud-trial-1234838462/
Governor Swill
2024-09-19 19:28:47 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through
employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the
traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't.  Harris, as a public servant, did not make a
huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as
a "middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong.  You're a Trump
supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie.  Harris was raised
middle class,
not wealthy.  Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. 
These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours.  Upper end of middle class, yes, but I
maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks.  Ditto Harris.
While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class.  It
was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just
middle, she grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is
not in rational dispute.
Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his
mouth. He inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His
daddy bought his way into Wharton when he *clearly* was not
academically qualified. Trump grew up filthy rich and enjoyed all the
undeserved privileges of it. Harris did not. End Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but
even that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small
statement that nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated
multiple times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The
debunking of these lies had occurred in many cases weeks if not
months earlier. The moderators did not have to do any web searches on
these Trump lies — they already knew that they were lies, and what
the truth is. If Trump were clever enough to tell new lies, which of
course he isn't, the moderators would not have said a word about
them.
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know
what many of his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
And his lies have real-world consequences. Right now the lies about
eating cats and dogs are ripping apart lives and having law
enforcement taken away from regular crimes and having to deal with the
morons who believe Trump.
His lies about election workers upended lives and destroyed careers.
Trump is just a vile liar and he's getting worse.
Remember when he was broadcasting
the name and addresses of staffers in
the courts he was in? People who had
done nothing to him, he just wanted his
minion to make their lives miserable.
What an evil sadistic person.
Officials from all over the country have faced violence and death threats from
the violent right.

Trump insisting there's more oil in "Bagram", Alaska than in all of Saudi Arabia
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qJxfqwZOVuM>
--
Donald Trump left office with the lowest approval ratings
of any President ever. Here are 75 of the reasons why, but,
honestly, there's so much more! From exchanging love letters
with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in love."
to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry,
to the way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of
this out of their memories, but we cannot afford to forget
just how terrible Trump’s time at the White House was for this nation.
And we sure as hell can’t afford to put him back there.

So, in no particular order:

(coming soon)
citizen winston smith
2024-09-19 19:31:06 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Officials from all over the country
Rudey's made more than enough public death threats on President Trump
and JD Vance's family:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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citizen winston smith
2024-09-19 19:32:24 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
violence and death threats
Rudey's made more than enough public death threats on President Trump
and JD Vance's family:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
Post by Governor Swill
is an important step to getting there.
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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Lou Bricano
2024-09-18 17:55:13 UTC
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Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't.  Harris, as a public servant, did not make a huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as a
"middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong.  You're a Trump supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie.  Harris was raised middle class,
not wealthy.  Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.  These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours.  Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain the
greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks.  Ditto Harris. While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class.  It was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for a
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just middle,
she grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is not in rational
dispute.
Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his mouth. He
inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His daddy bought his way
into Wharton when he *clearly* was not academically qualified. Trump grew up
filthy rich and enjoyed all the undeserved privileges of it. Harris did not.
End Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated multiple
times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The debunking of these
lies had occurred in many cases weeks if not months earlier. The moderators
did not have to do any web searches on these Trump lies — they already knew
that they were lies, and what the truth is. If Trump were clever enough to
tell new lies, which of course he isn't, the moderators would not have said a
word about them.
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know what many
of his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
And his lies have real-world consequences.
Among others: the incitement of a violent insurrection on 01/06/2021, and now
death threats and bomb threats in Ohio.
Post by John Doe
Right now the lies about eating cats
and dogs are ripping apart lives and having law enforcement taken away from
regular crimes and having to deal with the morons who believe Trump.
His lies about election workers upended lives and destroyed careers.
Trump is just a vile liar and he's getting worse.
citizen winston smith
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now death threats and bomb threats
Oh you're branching out Rudey?

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Rudy Canoza wrote:

I might go to some swing state that is very close in the polls, and try
to become a mole saboteur in the Trump campaign. That sound like fun!

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..adding in electoral fraud to your public death threats...


YOUR DEATH THREATS AGAINST TRUMP ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell/Al
Feldhauser/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
is an important step to getting there.
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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citizen winston smith
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now death threats and bomb threats
Oh you're branching out Rudey?

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Rudy Canoza wrote:

I might go to some swing state that is very close in the polls, and try
to become a mole saboteur in the Trump campaign. That sound like fun!

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..adding in electoral fraud to your public death threats...


YOUR DEATH THREATS AGAINST TRUMP ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell/Al
Feldhauser/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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Governor Swill
2024-09-19 19:27:39 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Post by Lou Bricano
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know what
many of his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
And his lies have real-world consequences. Right now the lies about
eating cats and dogs are ripping apart lives and having law enforcement
taken away from regular crimes and having to deal with the morons who
believe Trump.
His lies about election workers upended lives and destroyed careers.
Trump is just a vile liar and he's getting worse.
Yes, he is. He's getting senile too.

Trump insisting there's more oil in "Bagram", Alaska than in all of Saudi Arabia
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qJxfqwZOVuM>
--
Donald Trump left office with the lowest approval ratings
of any President ever. Here are 75 of the reasons why, but,
honestly, there's so much more! From exchanging love letters
with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in love."
to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry,
to the way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of
this out of their memories, but we cannot afford to forget
just how terrible Trump’s time at the White House was for this nation.
And we sure as hell can’t afford to put him back there.

So, in no particular order:

(coming soon)
citizen winston smith
2024-09-19 19:28:09 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
He's getting senile too.
Rudey's made more than enough public death threats on President Trump
and JD Vance's family:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
Post by Governor Swill
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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Skeeter
2024-09-18 22:03:00 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:52:30 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:17:16 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Well by "working class" meaning she made money through employment instead
of assets, yes (but definitely not working class in the traditional way).
Which was my point.
Post by Grimble Crumble
However, she made way more money than the average middle class person.
Um, no, she didn't. Harris, as a public servant, did not make a huge salary.
Not like a lawyer in private practice would have.
I meant her mom. This was about her statement of her growing up as a
"middle class kid". Sorry for the confusion.
You keep pushing this shit and you're still wrong. You're a Trump supporter
trying to prove an opponent's fact is a lie. Harris was raised middle class,
not wealthy. Trump was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. These are both
facts and it's high time you found something better to do with your time than
swim Usenet wit the other sealions.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
She
had the amount of money of a lower-upper class person, but she wasn't upper
class, because she was employed. The statement is technically true, but the
meaning behind it is misleading.
So has been yours. Upper end of middle class, yes, but I maintain the greater
difference is between investing and earning regardless of the sums.
My original posts where I said she grew up upper class were wrong, and I
concede that was wasn't upper class concretely.
I'm trying to say that she grew up richer than what she's trying to imply
No, you're trying to say that she grew up more affluent than what you inferred.
Post by Grimble Crumble
(more privileged than your average upper middle class), but she is
technically not upper class.
Then what is your damage?
Post by Grimble Crumble
She still made way more money than the average
upper middle class (double the normal middle class at the time).
No, she did not.
Post by Grimble Crumble
She's only
middle class, because her mom was employed. I'd say the sum did make a big
difference, because it is how she grew up.
Her mom worked for a living and drew a paychecks. Ditto Harris. While she was
at the upper end of middle class, it was still middle class. It was also
working class as differentiated from investor class.
If you want to discredit Harris, point out one of her policies you disagree with
and why.
My kid goes to a private school but he won't tell me where it is.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xbNLLdI83lg>
You know what, Swill, I concede this argument to you. I do this for a
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
Harris grew up middle class: "upper" middle, "lower" middle, or just middle, she
grew up middle class. She did not grow up rich. This is not in rational dispute.
Trump *did* grow up rich and with a proverbial silver spoon in his mouth. He
inherited at least $400 million in today's dollars. His daddy bought his way
into Wharton when he *clearly* was not academically qualified. Trump grew up
filthy rich and enjoyed all the undeserved privileges of it. Harris did not. End
Of Story.
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
The moderators were *not* "aggressive" with Trump. As I have stated multiple
times, Trump told *dozens* of already debunked lies. The debunking of these lies
had occurred in many cases weeks if not months earlier. The moderators did not
have to do any web searches on these Trump lies ? they already knew that they
were lies, and what the truth is. If Trump were clever enough to tell new lies,
which of course he isn't, the moderators would not have said a word about them.
Trump is a liar. He tells lies every time he talks. We already know what many of
his favorite lies are, so we're ready for them.
So what? He's still richer and smarter than her.
Governor Swill
2024-09-18 17:25:16 UTC
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1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
But you'll still vote for him?
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
True, that would be a hard slog. After all, if you're a debate moderator and
one of the candidates just starts talking total insanity, how can you not speak
out?
--
Where's Melania?
citizen winston smith
2024-09-18 18:28:44 UTC
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one of the candidates just starts talking total insanity, how can you not speak
out?
Like this Rudey:

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Rudy Canoza wrote:

I might go to some swing state that is very close in the polls, and try
to become a mole saboteur in the Trump campaign. That sound like fun!

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..adding in electoral fraud to your public death threats...


YOUR DEATH THREATS AGAINST TRUMP ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell/Al
Feldhauser/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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John Doe
2024-09-18 19:33:49 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
But you'll still vote for him?
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
True, that would be a hard slog. After all, if you're a debate moderator and
one of the candidates just starts talking total insanity, how can you not speak
out?
Yup. Trump is ruining people's lives with that shit. Silence implies
consent.
citizen winston smith
2024-09-18 19:40:38 UTC
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talking total insanity, how can you not speak
out?
Bad criminal Swill:
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JD Vance says he laments that school
shootings are a ‘fact of life’
Sept 5
https://apnews.com/article/jd-vance-georgia-shooting-
7d7727a1aff8491f66914a4d8a14cd8c
If there is anything more disgusting than JD Vance, we need to find it,
kill it, and bury it along with him.
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Yet another death threat on a political candidate from Rudey - and this
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Post by Governor Swill
JD Vance says he laments that school
shootings are a ‘fact of life’
Sept 5
security to prevent more carnage
like the shooting this week that
left four dead in Georgia.
Let's hope his kids are the next ones shot to death in their classroom.
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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Grimble Crumble
2024-09-18 22:36:10 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
But you'll still vote for him?
I'm heavily considering not to now.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
True, that would be a hard slog. After all, if you're a debate moderator and
one of the candidates just starts talking total insanity, how can you not speak
out?
Absolutely. I can't believe Trump expects people to allow him to assert
these things without contest. He can SAY it, but he should also expect
someone to respond.
--
"Do not come; do not come"
"I'm gonna come!"
https://youtube.com/shorts/oC8wQAscVKY?si=EUAnZarWPttn7XSd
Governor Swill
2024-09-19 19:39:02 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
1: Even if we both agree that I'm 100% right here, I still have to confront
that Harris has some small inaccuracies with the meaning of her statements
compared to outlandish lies (or unprovable truths) by Trump. It's damn near
impossible to defend him anymore sadly.
But you'll still vote for him?
I'm heavily considering not to now.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
2: I argued this completely incorrectly. It would have been far smarter to
go after how the moderators were more aggressive with Trump (but even
that's an uphill battle I'm not prepared for) than a small statement that
nobody will remeber.
True, that would be a hard slog. After all, if you're a debate moderator and
one of the candidates just starts talking total insanity, how can you not speak
out?
Absolutely. I can't believe Trump expects people to allow him to assert
these things without contest. He can SAY it, but he should also expect
someone to respond.
Have you given any thought to my question about inflation in another thread?


Ever the victim ...

<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yT42znGPSaM>
"Nobody in Europe in the 1940s had it as bad as I have now." -- Donald Trump
--
Donald Trump left office with the lowest approval ratings
of any President ever. Here are 75 of the reasons why, but,
honestly, there's so much more! From exchanging love letters
with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in love."
to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry,
to the way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of
this out of their memories, but we cannot afford to forget
just how terrible Trump’s time at the White House was for this nation.
And we sure as hell can’t afford to put him back there.

So, in no particular order:

(coming soon)
citizen winston smith
2024-09-19 19:40:13 UTC
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Ever the victim ...
Rudey's made more than enough public death threats on President Trump
and JD Vance's family:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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is an important step to getting there.
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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Skeeter
2024-09-18 20:05:58 UTC
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says...
Post by John Doe
Post by Skeeter
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by NoBody
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
If this were literally true, surely most people would have noticed by
now. Isn't it remotely possible that you're wrong? I mean, the data
suggests you believe Trump is a truth-teller, and that hasn't been true
in his entire adult lifetime.
I haven't known him that long. Have you?
unknown
2024-09-16 00:54:18 UTC
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$***@reader.netnews.com>, ***@photonmail.com
says...
Post by Skeeter
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by NoBody
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:35:37 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
I will actually fill a hole in that argument. For Kamala's Mother's job,
it's stated in 2024 terms (I don't know how much money they made in the 70s
and 80s, but we can reasonably assume it's a lot), because I wasn't able to
find stats for the 70s and 80s. The professor's job is stated in 70s and
80s terms.
Add in the second income and that puts them in the upper class.
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
She was middle class even when her parents were still together. She didn't lie.
She always lies.
Kamala has a vision for moving forward. Trump has the same
old divisive anger.
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Signature provided on request.
Governor Swill
2024-09-15 01:45:17 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
In addition, it's actually difficult to tell whether she was upper or
upper-middle. The upper class' wealth is characterized through assets or
companies; while all middle and working classes through employment. That
being said, Kamala's mom made double the amount of money as the middle
class did back then.
This means her statement is still misleading, as she tried to come off as
having lived modestly and relatably. The normal upper middle class doesn't
live modestly let alone Kamala's mom who had double the income as one.
Still nothing like a $400M spoon in your mouth.

The operative here is "work". Her mom went to "work" every day to "earn" a
salary which also means her income was taxed at a higher rate than the investor
class.

During the debate, Trump made heavy use of hyperbolic language such as "insane"
"destroyed" "completely" "biggest" "best" "worst" "horrible". I especially
resented the oft used phrase, "America is a failed nation." Real patriotic
there, guy.
--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump
Grimble Crumble
2024-09-15 08:01:52 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:17:41 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
In addition, it's actually difficult to tell whether she was upper or
upper-middle. The upper class' wealth is characterized through assets or
companies; while all middle and working classes through employment. That
being said, Kamala's mom made double the amount of money as the middle
class did back then.
This means her statement is still misleading, as she tried to come off as
having lived modestly and relatably. The normal upper middle class doesn't
live modestly let alone Kamala's mom who had double the income as one.
Still nothing like a $400M spoon in your mouth.
That's true, and people do sometimes like to pretend Trump was self-made
(he wasn't, but if anyone has a contrary source or information send it or
reply), but the difference is that Trump wasn't trying to say he grew up
middle class. Trump is openly "I'm rich and grew up rich". Kamala was
trying to say "I know you, because I grew up like you".
Post by Governor Swill
The operative here is "work". Her mom went to "work" every day to "earn" a
salary which also means her income was taxed at a higher rate than the investor
class.
Yes, she wasn't definitively upper class, but she had double the middle
class income of the day. She wasn't crazy advantaged like Trump, but she
didn't live the image she's trying to project either. To me, the problem
isn't that she grew up rich; it was the message.
Post by Governor Swill
During the debate, Trump made heavy use of hyperbolic language such as "insane"
"destroyed" "completely" "biggest" "best" "worst" "horrible". I especially
resented the oft used phrase, "America is a failed nation." Real patriotic
there, guy.
I think the use of those words shows his true goal during the debate.
Kamala went the traditional and reasonable route with policies and values.
Trump went to emotionally charge his supporters and people who are on the
edge to support him more. As a result, from a Kamala supporter's eyes, it
looks like he went insane, but from a Trump supporter's, they felt heard
and understood, and felt like their concerns were being heard.

This strategy means he technically lost the debate, but he accomplished his
goal quite well; right-wing outlets are usually reporting that he won,
while most others are reporting a more nuanced conclusion.
--
"Do not come; do not come"
"I'm gonna come!"
https://youtube.com/shorts/oC8wQAscVKY?si=EUAnZarWPttn7XSd
Governor Swill
2024-09-15 09:04:08 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:17:41 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
In addition, it's actually difficult to tell whether she was upper or
upper-middle. The upper class' wealth is characterized through assets or
companies; while all middle and working classes through employment. That
being said, Kamala's mom made double the amount of money as the middle
class did back then.
This means her statement is still misleading, as she tried to come off as
having lived modestly and relatably. The normal upper middle class doesn't
live modestly let alone Kamala's mom who had double the income as one.
Still nothing like a $400M spoon in your mouth.
That's true, and people do sometimes like to pretend Trump was self-made
(he wasn't, but if anyone has a contrary source or information send it or
reply), but the difference is that Trump wasn't trying to say he grew up
middle class. Trump is openly "I'm rich and grew up rich". Kamala was
trying to say "I know you, because I grew up like you".
Post by Governor Swill
The operative here is "work". Her mom went to "work" every day to "earn" a
salary which also means her income was taxed at a higher rate than the investor
class.
Yes, she wasn't definitively upper class, but she had double the middle
class income of the day. She wasn't crazy advantaged like Trump, but she
didn't live the image she's trying to project either. To me, the problem
isn't that she grew up rich; it was the message.
Post by Governor Swill
During the debate, Trump made heavy use of hyperbolic language such as "insane"
"destroyed" "completely" "biggest" "best" "worst" "horrible". I especially
resented the oft used phrase, "America is a failed nation." Real patriotic
there, guy.
I think the use of those words shows his true goal during the debate.
Kamala went the traditional and reasonable route with policies and values.
Trump went to emotionally charge his supporters and people who are on the
edge to support him more.
I don't agree that edge voters would be swayed by the hyperbole and negative
campaigning. Anybody still on the fence this late isn't an emotional capture
but is looking at policy. As long as Trump keeps playing to his base and
ignoring the fence sitters, he'll keep losing them.
Post by Grimble Crumble
As a result, from a Kamala supporter's eyes, it
looks like he went insane, but from a Trump supporter's, they felt heard
and understood, and felt like their concerns were being heard.
This strategy means he technically lost the debate, but he accomplished his
goal quite well; right-wing outlets are usually reporting that he won,
I don't know of any that are doing that. None that are credible anyway.
Post by Grimble Crumble
while most others are reporting a more nuanced conclusion.
Um, not from where I'm sitting. Fox, NYP, WSJ, all gave the win to Harris.
Sure, the niche sites complain ABC wasn't fair with their fact checking but
really, migrants eating pets? C'mon, get real. Telling whoppers like that
makes anything else look insipid at best.

As for Harris' lies, why didn't Trump bust her on them? Because as usual, he
has no grasp of policy and thinks schoolyard bullying is the answer.

The fact of the matter is that the core of Trump's support is racist and
misogynist and that's where the battle is. Will America roll itself back
several centuries socially or will we keep going forward?
--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump
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2024-09-15 17:27:39 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:17:41 -0500, Grimble Crumble
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Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
In addition, it's actually difficult to tell whether she was upper or
upper-middle. The upper class' wealth is characterized through assets or
companies; while all middle and working classes through employment. That
being said, Kamala's mom made double the amount of money as the middle
class did back then.
This means her statement is still misleading, as she tried to come off as
having lived modestly and relatably. The normal upper middle class doesn't
live modestly let alone Kamala's mom who had double the income as one.
Still nothing like a $400M spoon in your mouth.
That's true, and people do sometimes like to pretend Trump was self-made
(he wasn't, but if anyone has a contrary source or information send it or
reply), but the difference is that Trump wasn't trying to say he grew up
middle class. Trump is openly "I'm rich and grew up rich". Kamala was
trying to say "I know you, because I grew up like you".
Post by Governor Swill
The operative here is "work". Her mom went to "work" every day to "earn" a
salary which also means her income was taxed at a higher rate than the investor
class.
Yes, she wasn't definitively upper class, but she had double the middle
class income of the day. She wasn't crazy advantaged like Trump, but she
didn't live the image she's trying to project either. To me, the problem
isn't that she grew up rich; it was the message.
Post by Governor Swill
During the debate, Trump made heavy use of hyperbolic language such as "insane"
"destroyed" "completely" "biggest" "best" "worst" "horrible". I especially
resented the oft used phrase, "America is a failed nation." Real patriotic
there, guy.
I think the use of those words shows his true goal during the debate.
Kamala went the traditional and reasonable route with policies and values.
Trump went to emotionally charge his supporters and people who are on the
edge to support him more.
I don't agree that edge voters would be swayed by the hyperbole and negative
campaigning. Anybody still on the fence this late isn't an emotional capture
but is looking at policy. As long as Trump keeps playing to his base and
ignoring the fence sitters, he'll keep losing them.
I meant more that he appeals to previous conservatives, Someone who isn't
super politically conscious, but still wants conservative values. This
person wouldn't really know much about either, but would be turned off
after hearing Kamala's policies.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
As a result, from a Kamala supporter's eyes, it
looks like he went insane, but from a Trump supporter's, they felt heard
and understood, and felt like their concerns were being heard.
This strategy means he technically lost the debate, but he accomplished his
goal quite well; right-wing outlets are usually reporting that he won,
I don't know of any that are doing that. None that are credible anyway.
I did an allsides search, and it shows centrist and left sites reporting
the debate far more than right or lean-right. Of the 2 right wing sites,
Fox News is saying Harris won and American Thinker says Trump won. Only 2
centrist sites actually reported on it, the Wall Street Journal (opinion)
says Harris won by remaining cool, but Donald Trump had some good chances
to call her out
<https://www.wsj.com/opinion/who-won-the-trump-harris-debate-26c07c33>, and
another WSJ (news) article asks voters who they think won the debate
<https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/harris-trump-debate-who-won-voters-react-946ad11e>.
All the others are left-leaning or straight up left.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
while most others are reporting a more nuanced conclusion.
Um, not from where I'm sitting. Fox, NYP, WSJ, all gave the win to Harris.
Sure, the niche sites complain ABC wasn't fair with their fact checking but
really, migrants eating pets? C'mon, get real. Telling whoppers like that
makes anything else look insipid at best.
As for Harris' lies, why didn't Trump bust her on them? Because as usual, he
has no grasp of policy and thinks schoolyard bullying is the answer.
Which sucks, because she was able to get away with dodging questions about
policy (even if she did focus on it more than Trump), because Trump was
ranting. It would be easier (and more productive) to call out his rant than
to answer the question. Those would be some good questions, if she actually
answered them.

Here are my examples:

Opinion on abortion? pro-Roe v. Wade. (Semi-dodge, because now the debate
on abortion involves different times, not just legal or illegal like in the
past). I will admit though, I don't know much about Roe v. Wade (besides
that it made abortion legal), so it's possible it's a real statement, but
if that's true, most people wouldn't know either what she wants.

Economy? Either she took Trump's points (middle class tax cut and no tax on
tips), or she didn't speak on it. She gave it new spin, but it's still
Trump's policy.

Immigration's a little different. She did state her point (that she
supported sending more border guards), then baited him with the rallies
thing, and he took the bait. I mean, that's genius, but it was basically a
really good way to get him to shut up on what's relevent, and dig his own
grave with the rant. Eventually, he was able to state his point, but people
will only see the rant.
Post by Governor Swill
The fact of the matter is that the core of Trump's support is racist and
misogynist and that's where the battle is. Will America roll itself back
several centuries socially or will we keep going forward?
Trump may or may not be racist, but it's definitely not the reason people
support him. People support Trump because of his economic policy. It was
very good, and you can't deny that (2016-2019 were very prosperous years).
COVID threw it out of whack, and Biden sustained it longer than he should
have.

Everyone agrees that Trump is very loud, too loud for his own good, and his
statements are very strong. He's done this his whole life; however, if you
look past those statements, you'll find some good economic, immigration
(though conservative), and foreign policy. We had good relationships with
China and Russia. He also didn't declare any wars. You'll get inflammatory
statements (or "mean tweets"), but you'll also be able to afford more under
him. He knows how businesses work. That's why people support him.

To most of his supporters, he isn't racist, because he hasn't actually
instituted any racist policies. In fact, before I heard some decent
evidence, it seriously looks like the media is just out to get him; I'm
serious. To his supporters, actions speak louder than words. When it comes
to other discrimination accusations, those are less founded. You all say
"he said this", while supporters say "ok, well he did the opposite".
--
"Welcome to Fox News, your voice for evil"

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2024-09-16 02:15:56 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Governor Swill
During the debate, Trump made heavy use of hyperbolic language such as "insane"
"destroyed" "completely" "biggest" "best" "worst" "horrible". I especially
resented the oft used phrase, "America is a failed nation." Real patriotic
there, guy.
I think the use of those words shows his true goal during the debate.
Kamala went the traditional and reasonable route with policies and values.
Trump went to emotionally charge his supporters and people who are on the
edge to support him more.
I don't agree that edge voters would be swayed by the hyperbole and negative
campaigning. Anybody still on the fence this late isn't an emotional capture
but is looking at policy. As long as Trump keeps playing to his base and
ignoring the fence sitters, he'll keep losing them.
I meant more that he appeals to previous conservatives,
No, he doesn't. Note how many conservatives are campaigning against him. While
he does have some support from some hard line conservatives, his appeal is
limited to them.

I note also that you don't think, "America is a failed nation" is a bad thing to
say.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Someone who isn't super politically conscious, but still wants conservative values.
This is something you should understand about Trump. He doesn't want
conservative values, he wants to espouse whatever values can best link his
pockets with cash and glory.
Post by Grimble Crumble
This person wouldn't really know much about either, but would be turned off
after hearing Kamala's policies.
Trump is not conservative. He's never been conservative. He was raised a
Democrat and only changed his party affiliation when he first began flirting
with the idea of the Presidency.
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
As a result, from a Kamala supporter's eyes, it
looks like he went insane, but from a Trump supporter's, they felt heard
and understood, and felt like their concerns were being heard.
This strategy means he technically lost the debate, but he accomplished his
goal quite well; right-wing outlets are usually reporting that he won,
I don't know of any that are doing that. None that are credible anyway.
I did an allsides search, and it shows centrist and left sites reporting
the debate far more than right or lean-right.
That's because the debate was good news for the left and center, bad news for
the right.

Always consider bias. Discard it and make up your own mind.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Of the 2 right wing sites,
Fox News is saying Harris won and American Thinker says Trump won. Only 2
centrist sites actually reported on it, the Wall Street Journal (opinion)
says Harris won by remaining cool, but Donald Trump had some good chances
to call her out
<https://www.wsj.com/opinion/who-won-the-trump-harris-debate-26c07c33>, and
another WSJ (news) article asks voters who they think won the debate
<https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/harris-trump-debate-who-won-voters-react-946ad11e>.
All the others are left-leaning or straight up left.
Which should be the evidence that Trump lost the debate. If he'd won, all the
rightist media would still be crowing about it. That they claimed some sort of
villainy before marching off to other subjects shows more than anything that
Trump got slammed. Did you not notice that those rightist sites generally spent
very little time talking about what Trump said. They spent their time
complaining about the debate being rigged, some attacked Harris for a bit but
never did get around to going through an honest critique of Trump's performance
and policies.
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
while most others are reporting a more nuanced conclusion.
Um, not from where I'm sitting. Fox, NYP, WSJ, all gave the win to Harris.
Sure, the niche sites complain ABC wasn't fair with their fact checking but
really, migrants eating pets? C'mon, get real. Telling whoppers like that
makes anything else look insipid at best.
As for Harris' lies, why didn't Trump bust her on them? Because as usual, he
has no grasp of policy and thinks schoolyard bullying is the answer.
Which sucks, because she was able to get away with dodging questions about
policy (even if she did focus on it more than Trump), because Trump was
ranting. It would be easier (and more productive) to call out his rant than
to answer the question. Those would be some good questions, if she actually
answered them.
This was the purpose of her debating style. The focus was on smooth transitions
from generic semi answers to attacks on Trump's sensitive parts and it worked
beautifully. He couldn't resist the bait.

If he's that easily outwitted by a woman running for President, what do you
think is going to happen when he has to deal with world leaders?
Post by Grimble Crumble
Opinion on abortion?
pro-Roe v. Wade. (Semi-dodge, because now the debate
on abortion involves different times, not just legal or illegal like in the
past).
Does that mean she can't have the opinion that the standards of Roe should not
still be in force? She has already said she'd sign legislation guaranteeing the
right to an abortion.
Post by Grimble Crumble
I will admit though, I don't know much about Roe v. Wade (besides
that it made abortion legal), so it's possible it's a real statement, but
if that's true, most people wouldn't know either what she wants.
Those interested in the topic will. Abortion is a highly divisive issue and
those with an interest are very passionate and knowledgeable.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Economy? Either she took Trump's points (middle class tax cut and no tax on
tips), or she didn't speak on it. She gave it new spin, but it's still
Trump's policy.
You weren't paying that close attention, I take it. She has two specific cuts
in mind. One is a 50k tax credit for those starting small businesses. Fox
Business likes this one. The other is a family friendly one that, on the
surface at least, should promote birth rates. An extra $6k tax credit for the
first year of a newborn's life.

Let's not forget that Trump eliminated dependent deductions and the GOP in
Congress limited the Child Tax Credit and the Earned Income Credit. Something
else they did that took effect in 2018 was that if you applied for either the
CTC or EIC, your tax return was shelved for up to six weeks before processing.
This greatly delays the tax refunds of millions of Americans every year.

Subsequently the Democrats have expanded both of those credits.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Immigration's a little different. She did state her point (that she
supported sending more border guards), then baited him with the rallies
thing, and he took the bait. I mean, that's genius, but it was basically a
really good way to get him to shut up on what's relevent, and dig his own
grave with the rant. Eventually, he was able to state his point, but people
will only see the rant.
And that happened time and time again.
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Post by Governor Swill
The fact of the matter is that the core of Trump's support is racist and
misogynist and that's where the battle is. Will America roll itself back
several centuries socially or will we keep going forward?
Trump may or may not be racist, but it's definitely not the reason people
support him. People support Trump because of his economic policy.
No. I disagree. The core of his support is white and mail grievance. They may
support his *perceived* economic policy but that policy is as flawed as his
business policies.
Post by Grimble Crumble
It was very good,
No, it was not. He started a tariff war that almost pauperized American farmers
had Uncle Sugar not bought their unsaleable crops. It also damaged
manufacturing. 100K+ manufacturing jobs disappeared through 2019.
Post by Grimble Crumble
and you can't deny that (2016-2019 were very prosperous years).
Not particularly more prosperous than 2012-2016. Let's not forget that it was
Democrats led by Obama who restored the economic disaster left by the
Republicans. Also, Obama managed to cut the deficit by two thirds while doing
it.

In 2009, unemployment peaked at 9.9% due to the Great Recession. By 2016, Obama
had that down to 4.7%. His economic repairs continued and by Jan 2020 it was at
3.6%. Most of Trump's economy was the healthy one he inherited from Obama.
Post by Grimble Crumble
COVID threw it out of whack, and Biden sustained it longer than he should
have.
Sustained COVID?
Post by Grimble Crumble
Everyone agrees that Trump is very loud, too loud for his own good, and his
statements are very strong. He's done this his whole life; however, if you
look past those statements, you'll find some good economic, immigration
(though conservative), and foreign policy.
No, you won't. His foreign policy is terrible for America. He wants to chum up
with an axis of dictatorships against the world's democracies! His economic
plans are worse. He wants to slash taxes on the rich subsidized with tariffs
which are taxes on the working classes.

His immigration policy is horrible. We should be welcoming more immigrants, not
trying to keep them out. Immigrants bring strong backs and self discipline that
results in middle class families and the creation of businesses and jobs.

Consider this example ripped from today's headlines.

"Springfield Haitian restaurant draws crowds; manager says, ‘We came here to
work’"
<https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/springfield-haitian-restaurant-draws-crowds-manager-says-we-came-here-to-work/XCYRX35OPNDZ3OTQJUMMY7SH6M/>

I dare you to read this article and still tell me immigration is bad for
America!
Post by Grimble Crumble
We had good relationships with China
... until he started a trade war.
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and Russia.
No, we didn't unless you consider letting Putin do "whatever the hell he wants"
a good relationship.
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He also didn't declare any wars.
He sure didn't stop any. He made sure Putin knew he would not press hard
against him in Ukraine. Trump loves dictators and has said so many times. Trump
would turn his back on NATO and virtually all our allies.

The one chance Trump had to make peace with an adversary was Iran. Obama and
NATO had a plan started that would bring Iran steadily into the western sphere.
The Iran Deal wasn't a great deal but it was a starter pack. Trump threw it
away and now Iran is Russia's ally in his war against eastern Europe.
Post by Grimble Crumble
You'll get inflammatory statements (or "mean tweets"),
Because he's a bully and an asshole. An America president should have more
respect and tolerance for others.
Post by Grimble Crumble
but you'll also be able to afford more under him.
Not when he orders prices to go up 20% or more which is exactly what will happen
if he gets the chance to enforce his tariff policies.
Post by Grimble Crumble
He knows how businesses work.
No he doesn't. He has way too many failed enterprises and bankruptcies for
anybody to think he has a good head for business.
Post by Grimble Crumble
That's why people support him.
They support him because they *think* he has a good head for business. He would
have done better putting his inheritance into index funds.

When Trump's three casino managers died in a helicopter crash in 1989, he
decided not to replace them, but to run his casinos himself. Within two years
all three were bankrupt.

The list of his failed business ventures is dozens long. He doesn't even put up
buildings anymore. The family business is licensing the Trump name which is a
perceived value, not an intrinsic one.
Post by Grimble Crumble
To most of his supporters, he isn't racist, because he hasn't actually
instituted any racist policies. In fact, before I heard some decent
evidence, it seriously looks like the media is just out to get him; I'm
serious. To his supporters, actions speak louder than words. When it comes
to other discrimination accusations, those are less founded. You all say
"he said this", while supporters say "ok, well he did the opposite".
That's because his supporters lie for him.

He spews dog whistle comments to racists continually. His family was sued by
the DoJ for race discrimination in housing twice. Cleverly, this issue isn't
just about what he's done, it's about who he appeals to. Racists. Bigots.
White nationalists. Christian nationalists. Anti government private militias
supporting such nationalists. Anarchists. Anti Semites. If *they* like him,
they must have reasons. If *they* like him, I will fight against him as surely
as against them.

Let's not forget that during his Presidency, he appointed 44 cabinet officials
and today, 40 of them refuse to endorse him for President in the strongest and
most unequivocal language.

Let's also not forget that a growing share of his own party's leaders have come
and continue to come forward to say they'll vote for Harris to keep him out of
office.
--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump
TruthBarker
2024-09-16 02:50:49 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 03:01:52 -0500, Grimble Crumble
Post by Grimble Crumble
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:17:41 -0500, Grimble Crumble
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Kamala's parents did get divorced, so counting her father's is dubious. I
hate to argue in favor of liberals, but it's the truth.
In addition, it's actually difficult to tell whether she was upper or
upper-middle. The upper class' wealth is characterized through assets or
companies; while all middle and working classes through employment. That
being said, Kamala's mom made double the amount of money as the middle
class did back then.
This means her statement is still misleading, as she tried to come off as
having lived modestly and relatably. The normal upper middle class doesn't
live modestly let alone Kamala's mom who had double the income as one.
Still nothing like a $400M spoon in your mouth.
That's true, and people do sometimes like to pretend Trump was self-made
(he wasn't, but if anyone has a contrary source or information send it or
reply), but the difference is that Trump wasn't trying to say he grew up
middle class. Trump is openly "I'm rich and grew up rich". Kamala was
trying to say "I know you, because I grew up like you".
Post by Governor Swill
The operative here is "work". Her mom went to "work" every day to "earn" a
salary which also means her income was taxed at a higher rate than the investor
class.
Yes, she wasn't definitively upper class, but she had double the middle
class income of the day. She wasn't crazy advantaged like Trump, but she
didn't live the image she's trying to project either. To me, the problem
isn't that she grew up rich; it was the message.
Post by Governor Swill
During the debate, Trump made heavy use of hyperbolic language such as "insane"
"destroyed" "completely" "biggest" "best" "worst" "horrible". I especially
resented the oft used phrase, "America is a failed nation." Real patriotic
there, guy.
I think the use of those words shows his true goal during the debate.
Kamala went the traditional and reasonable route with policies and values.
Trump went to emotionally charge his supporters and people who are on the
edge to support him more.
I don't agree that edge voters would be swayed by the hyperbole and negative
campaigning. Anybody still on the fence this late isn't an emotional capture
but is looking at policy. As long as Trump keeps playing to his base and
ignoring the fence sitters, he'll keep losing them.
I meant more that he appeals to previous conservatives, Someone who isn't
super politically conscious, but still wants conservative values. This
person wouldn't really know much about either, but would be turned off
after hearing Kamala's policies.
You don't make any sense at all. You have a tendency to writhe like a
snake that has been whacked on the head.
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Grimble Crumble
As a result, from a Kamala supporter's eyes, it
looks like he went insane, but from a Trump supporter's, they felt heard
and understood, and felt like their concerns were being heard.
This strategy means he technically lost the debate, but he accomplished his
goal quite well; right-wing outlets are usually reporting that he won,
I don't know of any that are doing that. None that are credible anyway.
I did an allsides search, and it shows centrist and left sites reporting
the debate far more than right or lean-right. Of the 2 right wing sites,
Fox News is saying Harris won and American Thinker says Trump won. Only 2
centrist sites actually reported on it, the Wall Street Journal (opinion)
says Harris won by remaining cool, but Donald Trump had some good chances
to call her out
<https://www.wsj.com/opinion/who-won-the-trump-harris-debate-26c07c33>, and
another WSJ (news) article asks voters who they think won the debate
<https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/harris-trump-debate-who-won-voters-react-946ad11e>.
All the others are left-leaning or straight up left.
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Post by Grimble Crumble
while most others are reporting a more nuanced conclusion.
Um, not from where I'm sitting. Fox, NYP, WSJ, all gave the win to Harris.
Sure, the niche sites complain ABC wasn't fair with their fact checking but
really, migrants eating pets? C'mon, get real. Telling whoppers like that
makes anything else look insipid at best.
As for Harris' lies, why didn't Trump bust her on them? Because as usual, he
has no grasp of policy and thinks schoolyard bullying is the answer.
Which sucks, because she was able to get away with dodging questions about
policy (even if she did focus on it more than Trump), because Trump was
ranting. It would be easier (and more productive) to call out his rant than
to answer the question. Those would be some good questions, if she actually
answered them.
Opinion on abortion? pro-Roe v. Wade. (Semi-dodge, because now the debate
on abortion involves different times, not just legal or illegal like in the
past). I will admit though, I don't know much about Roe v. Wade (besides
that it made abortion legal), so it's possible it's a real statement, but
if that's true, most people wouldn't know either what she wants.
Economy? Either she took Trump's points (middle class tax cut and no tax on
tips), or she didn't speak on it. She gave it new spin, but it's still
Trump's policy.
Immigration's a little different. She did state her point (that she
supported sending more border guards), then baited him with the rallies
thing, and he took the bait. I mean, that's genius, but it was basically a
really good way to get him to shut up on what's relevent, and dig his own
grave with the rant. Eventually, he was able to state his point, but people
will only see the rant.
Post by Governor Swill
The fact of the matter is that the core of Trump's support is racist and
misogynist and that's where the battle is. Will America roll itself back
several centuries socially or will we keep going forward?
Trump may or may not be racist, but it's definitely not the reason people
support him. People support Trump because of his economic policy. It was
very good, and you can't deny that (2016-2019 were very prosperous years).
COVID threw it out of whack, and Biden sustained it longer than he should
have.
Everyone agrees that Trump is very loud, too loud for his own good, and his
statements are very strong. He's done this his whole life; however, if you
look past those statements, you'll find some good economic, immigration
(though conservative), and foreign policy. We had good relationships with
China and Russia. He also didn't declare any wars. You'll get inflammatory
statements (or "mean tweets"), but you'll also be able to afford more under
him. He knows how businesses work. That's why people support him.
To most of his supporters, he isn't racist, because he hasn't actually
instituted any racist policies. In fact, before I heard some decent
evidence, it seriously looks like the media is just out to get him; I'm
serious. To his supporters, actions speak louder than words. When it comes
to other discrimination accusations, those are less founded. You all say
"he said this", while supporters say "ok, well he did the opposite".
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You don't make any sense at all. You have a tendency to writhe like a
snake that has been whacked on the head.
So am I wrong?
--
"Do not come; do not come"
"I'm gonna come!"
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TruthBarker
2024-09-16 11:23:37 UTC
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You don't make any sense at all. You have a tendency to writhe like a
snake that has been whacked on the head.
So am I wrong?
you know the answer
Governor Swill
2024-09-17 03:37:57 UTC
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You don't make any sense at all. You have a tendency to writhe like a
snake that has been whacked on the head.
So am I wrong?
you know the answer
Translation: I'm trolling. You're wasting your time and energy. Good.
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TruthBarker
2024-09-17 11:21:44 UTC
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You don't make any sense at all. You have a tendency to writhe like a
snake that has been whacked on the head.
So am I wrong?
you know the answer
Translation: I'm trolling. You're wasting your time and energy. Good.
you can kiss Grumbles ass anytime you want that is your prerogative
Governor Swill
2024-09-15 09:06:10 UTC
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"America is a failed nation."
I think the use of those words shows his true goal during the debate.
That one is beyond the pale. Trump's detestation of his country is made clear
often enough.

Trump debate lie:
Trump accused her of meeting with Putin immediately before the invasion.
Harris reminded us that she said early in the debate that we would be hearing a
lot of lies from Trump and pointed out that was just another one.
--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump
Lou Bricano
2024-09-14 16:32:52 UTC
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
You had no argument.
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2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
It saved lower income familes hundreds of dollars
No, it did not. That's your lie that you can't support...because there's no
possible support for a lie.
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Post by Lou Bricano
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These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
The 23 other lies?
Non-existent. You alleged them, but there weren't any. You lied.
unknown
2024-09-14 17:16:16 UTC
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In article <VUiFO.70656$***@fx16.iad>, ***@cap.con
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Post by Lou Bricano
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Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
You had no argument.
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Post by Lou Bricano
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Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
It saved lower income familes hundreds of dollars
No, it did not. That's your lie that you can't support...because there's no
possible support for a lie.
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Post by Lou Bricano
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Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
The 23 other lies?
Non-existent. You alleged them, but there weren't any. You lied.
Trump's tax plan benefited the wealthy and di very little
for the middle class.Trump and his followers are liars.
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John Doe
2024-09-14 17:51:50 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
You had no argument.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
It saved lower income familes hundreds of dollars
No, it did not. That's your lie that you can't support...because there's no
possible support for a lie.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
The 23 other lies?
Non-existent. You alleged them, but there weren't any. You lied.
Trump's tax plan benefited the wealthy and di very little
for the middle class.Trump and his followers are liars.
It's strange that Trump supporters get all bent out of shape for things
like Harris saying she grew up middle class rather than being even more
specific and saying upper middle class, when Trump lies about enormous
things like having a better, cheaper healthcare plan for all, and they
don't give a shit. The double standard always exists, but today it's
unbelievably large.
Rudy Canoza
2024-09-14 18:17:14 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
You had no argument.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
It saved lower income familes hundreds of dollars
No, it did not. That's your lie that you can't support...because there's no
possible support for a lie.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
The 23 other lies?
Non-existent. You alleged them, but there weren't any. You lied.
Trump's tax plan benefited the wealthy and di very little
for the middle class.Trump and his followers are liars.
It's strange that Trump supporters get all bent out of shape for things like
Harris saying she grew up middle class rather than being even more specific and
saying upper middle class, when Trump lies about enormous things like having a
better, cheaper healthcare plan for all, and they don't give a shit. The double
standard always exists, but today it's unbelievably large.
Here's what to know about Trump's lies and how his followers, the deplorables,
react to them:

More than that, they [the deplorables] believe his lies before he utters
them: his lies are the same lies they have loved since childhood. They do
not ignore his incompetence as much as they are incapable of perceiving it.

Don Martin - 06/10/2018
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/mvZuaXksLkk/jKCTwwojBQAJ

Brilliant, and spot-on correct. It is not literally the case that the
deplorables are genetically programmed to believe Trump's lies, but they might
as well be — it is "as if" they are.

Take the lie about Haitians eating pets. Racist xenophobes like Trump's
followers have *always* believed that kind of lie — literally (and I literally
mean literally) since they were children. *Of course* they're going to believe
it now.
--
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citizen winston smith
2024-09-14 18:29:14 UTC
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Take the lie about Haitians eating pets.
No such "lie", Jonathan Ball:

https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cat-eaters-of-ohio

Donald Trump shocked audiences at this week’s presidential debate with
the claim that foreign migrants were eating household pets in
Springfield, Ohio, a small town currently reeling under the strain of an
unprecedented number of new arrivals, mostly from Haiti. “They’re eating
the dogs,” Trump said. “They’re eating the cats.”

Reactions on both sides were spirited. Conservative social media
accounts created memes that portrayed Trump, dressed in camouflage, and
toting heavy weapons, as the savior of innocent pets. There was even a
viral TikTok trend, which chopped up Trump’s speech and set it to dance
music. “They’re eating the dogs, they’re eating cats,” the music
thumped. “Eat the cat! Eat, eat the cat!”

The establishment media was not amused. During the debate, ABC’s David
Muir dismissed Trump’s rhetoric with his version of a fact check, citing
the Springfield city manager’s statement that “there have been no
credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or
abused by individuals within the immigrant community.” Other
publications went further, blasting the former president for spreading a
“racist smear,” a “century-old stereotype,” and a “cat-eating conspiracy
theory.”

So, is there any truth to the charge? We have conducted an exclusive
investigation that reveals that, yes, in fact, some migrants in Ohio
appear to have been “eating the cats,” though not exactly in the manner
that Trump described.

Our investigation begins in a run-down neighborhood of Dayton, Ohio, the
closest major city to Springfield, about a half-hour’s drive away. We
identified a social media post, dated August 25, 2023, with a short
video depicting what appear to be two skinned cats on top of a blue
barbeque. “Yoooo the Africans wildn on Parkwood,” reads the text,
referring to Parkwood Drive. The video then pans down to two live cats
walking across the grass in front of a run-down fence, with a voice on
the video warning: “There go a cat right there. His ass better get
missin’, man. Look like his homies on the grill!”


We spoke with the author of the video, who asked to remain anonymous but
confirmed its time, location, and authenticity. He told us that he was
picking up his son last summer, when he noticed the unusual situation.
“It was some Africans that stay right next door to my kid’s mother,” he
said. “This African dude next door had the damn cat on the grill.”

We then identified the home by matching it to the visuals in the video
and cross-referencing them with the eyewitness. When we knocked on the
door of the first unit, a family answered, telling us they were from the
Democratic Republic of the Congo and that all of the surrounding units
were occupied by other African migrants.

One of the residents told us that her former neighbors, also from
Africa, had lived in the adjacent unit until last month. They had a blue
grill and the father would find meat in the neighborhood. “Her dad was
going to find meat,” she said. “Her dad was going, holding a knife.” The
current residents also showed us a blue grill of the same make and model
as in the video, which the former neighbors had abandoned after they
moved out. There were at least ten cats wandering around the complex and
another resident complained that they were breeding on the property.

According to the original witness, whose son was friendly with the
neighbors, there was no doubt about what happened last summer. “They was
barbecuing the damn cat!” he said. His son’s mother had previously
witnessed the family butchering a mammal on the street, but the cats on
the barbeque put him in such a state of shock, he felt the need to film it.

https://fox59.com/news/national-world/man-sentenced-for-killing-planning-to-eat-american-bald-eagle-second-man-sought/#:~:text=Zetino%20Hernandez%20%E2%80%9Cadmitted%20to%20taking,Hernandez%2DTziquin%20at%20the%20time.

Updated: Nov 15, 2023 / 08:04 PM EST

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OMAHA, Neb. (KCAU) — A man has been sentenced after authorities say he
shot and killed a bald eagle in northeast Nebraska with the intention to
eat it. Meanwhile, authorities are still looking for a second man
involved in the case.

Domingo Zetino Hernandez, 21, of Guatemala, appeared in federal court in
Omaha Tuesday and was sentenced to time served for violating the Bald
and Golden Eagle Protection Act, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office
in Nebraska. He has been in custody since March 20. He will also be
subject to removal proceedings with United States Immigration and
Customs Enforcement. He pleaded guilty in August.

The case began on February 28 when authorities received a report of a
suspicious vehicle at the Wood Duck Wildlife Management Area in Stanton
County. The Stanton County Sheriff’s Office arrived at the scene and
made contact with Zetino Hernandez and another man, Ramiro Hernandez
Tziquin. The release stated that Zetino Hernandez admitted to shooting a
bird and that it was in the trunk of the vehicle.

Authorities searched the trunk and found the carcass of a bald eagle.
Zetino Hernandez “admitted to taking and possessing the bald eagle
found… without being permitted to do so,” the release states. The
sheriff’s office at the time said that the two men were planning on
cooking and eating the bird. Authorities cited Zetino Hernandez and
Hernandez-Tziquin at the time. The bird carcass and rifle used to kill
the bird were taken by Nebraska Game and Parks.

Authorities are still looking for Hernandez-Tziquin. He and Zetino
Hernandez were living in Norfolk at the time. Hernandez-Tziquin is
believed to have fled the area and may be living with family or
associates in Nebraska, Texas, or elsewhere, the release explains.

Anyone with information about where Hernandez-Tziquin may be is asked to
contact the United States Fish and Wildlife Service by calling
1-844-FWS-TIPS (1-844-397-8477) or visiting their website. A reward may
be available for information leading to an arrest.
Governor Swill
2024-09-14 20:35:25 UTC
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. [According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors
made, at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s'
dollars ($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER
middle class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class]
Bullshit.
[Text in brackets was ignored and erased by Lou in his response]
Why did you ignore my argument again?
You had no argument.
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Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
They did. Harris got that right.
It saved lower income familes hundreds of dollars
No, it did not. That's your lie that you can't support...because there's no
possible support for a lie.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by Lou Bricano
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
There was no argument.
The 23 other lies?
Non-existent. You alleged them, but there weren't any. You lied.
Trump's tax plan benefited the wealthy and di very little
for the middle class.Trump and his followers are liars.
It's strange that Trump supporters get all bent out of shape for things
like Harris saying she grew up middle class rather than being even more
specific and saying upper middle class, when Trump lies about enormous
things like having a better, cheaper healthcare plan for all, and they
don't give a shit. The double standard always exists, but today it's
unbelievably large.
Exactly. Trump is up there foaming at the mouth because, "THEY'RE EATING OUR
PETS!!!" but Harris has to take shit over how much money her mom made as a
scientific researcher.

“She was walking down the street and all of a sudden she just turned black.”
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i0N0lH67FkM>
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Where's Melania?

#nevertrump
Governor Swill
2024-09-13 23:42:43 UTC
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Post by John Doe
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class.
Um, no. To start with, her parents divorced while she was young and she was
raised by her mom. That was definitely middle class at the time even given
child support. I suspect your border between middle and upper is quite low.
Post by Grimble Crumble
According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors made,
at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s' dollars
($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER middle
class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class
Again, no and for the reasons above. Upper range of the middle, yes but
definitely middle class.


In any case, compare to Trump who's father was worth 400,000,000.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Yet another example of an attempt to be relatable just coming off wrong.
Not to me. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth, nor was she poor.
She didn't want for food or shoes but neither did she tool around in a 450 SEL.
Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
Post by John Doe
Now do Trump.
That's your job
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That is not true. Data produced by the IRS has shown that "on average all
income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not
the top 1 percent," according to Justin Haskins, writing in The Hill.
<https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/Trumps%20Tax%20Cuts%20Policy%20Paper.pdf>
I actually did taxes that season for TY2018 and many, MANY people saw refunds
shrink and tax bills go up. Some, accustomed to always getting a refund, got
their first tax bill ever. The elimination of the dependent exemption alone
hurt a lot of families. One that sticks out in my mind was a single mom raising
six kids in a $600,000 home. Even as head of household, she lost four kids
worth of exemptions and the local and state tax limit kicked in to cost her
another big chunk. In total, she lost almost 30k in deductions and exemptions.

The reason given for shrunken refunds and expanded tax bills for many workers
was given out as an IRS error in calculating withholding tables resulting in too
little income withheld. But for many of my customers, a comparison to the
previous year showed their final effective tax rates had gone up and for most,
had not changed. Much of this was remedied over the next two years as Congress
expanded the dependent tax credit to make up for the exemption shortfall but
those corrections just made the deficit even worse.

Another factor to consider is that the middle class cuts expire next year - the
year after Trump would have left office if he'd served two consecutive terms.

No matter how you slice it, TCJA resulted in an enormous increase in the deficit
especially since Trump also increased spending.

If Roe can fall, so can Social Security and Medicare
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6WzynvpeZPs>
--
The difference between Jesus and Trump is, Jesus took his beating like
a man.

#nevertrump
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2024-09-14 03:32:17 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:38:25 -0500, Grimble Crumble
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Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class.
Um, no. To start with, her parents divorced while she was young and she was
raised by her mom. That was definitely middle class at the time even given
child support. I suspect your border between middle and upper is quite low.
I did more research on this and classes in general (it's actually really
intresting). Kamala was raised in an environment mostly like the upper
middle class, but with double the income. For example, her wealth was
through employment, not assets, so that makes her middle class, but she
made double the amount of the median middle class income. This probably
meant that she lived like a lower upper class person, but without all the
upper class sociallity (no white tie events lol).

The reason she said this, though, is to evoke the image of a modes
lifestyle. However, her mom had enough wealth herself to where essentially
they could do all the things working and lower middle class people dream to
be able to do often any time.

However, Trump is inarguably upper upper class, and Kamala's upbringing was
modest compared to his, but still more wealthy than most americans. Take
all this as you will.

As you said about left misinformation (this isn't misinformation, but it's
in the same genre), it was a lie of omission, but it was also technically
correct in some ways, and technically incorrect in others.
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Post by Grimble Crumble
According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors made,
at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s' dollars
($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER middle
class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class
Again, no and for the reasons above. Upper range of the middle, yes but
definitely middle class.
In any case, compare to Trump who's father was worth 400,000,000.
That's always true. Kamala could eat out all the time, but Trump could fine
dine all the time.
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Yet another example of an attempt to be relatable just coming off wrong.
Not to me. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth, nor was she poor.
She didn't want for food or shoes but neither did she tool around in a 450 SEL.
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Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
Post by John Doe
Now do Trump.
That's your job
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Post by Ubiquitous
That is not true. Data produced by the IRS has shown that "on average all
income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not
the top 1 percent," according to Justin Haskins, writing in The Hill.
<https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/Trumps%20Tax%20Cuts%20Policy%20Paper.pdf>
I actually did taxes that season for TY2018 and many, MANY people saw refunds
shrink and tax bills go up. Some, accustomed to always getting a refund, got
their first tax bill ever. The elimination of the dependent exemption alone
hurt a lot of families. One that sticks out in my mind was a single mom raising
six kids in a $600,000 home. Even as head of household, she lost four kids
worth of exemptions and the local and state tax limit kicked in to cost her
another big chunk. In total, she lost almost 30k in deductions and exemptions.
The reason given for shrunken refunds and expanded tax bills for many workers
was given out as an IRS error in calculating withholding tables resulting in too
little income withheld. But for many of my customers, a comparison to the
previous year showed their final effective tax rates had gone up and for most,
had not changed. Much of this was remedied over the next two years as Congress
expanded the dependent tax credit to make up for the exemption shortfall but
those corrections just made the deficit even worse.
Another factor to consider is that the middle class cuts expire next year - the
year after Trump would have left office if he'd served two consecutive terms.
No matter how you slice it, TCJA resulted in an enormous increase in the deficit
especially since Trump also increased spending.
That's really strange. Do you believe Trump secretly increased people's
rates? Or, do you believe it was truly an error? I can see the error
happening, because ever since I got my job, I was like "there has to be a
hole somewhere, it can't be that simple".
Post by Governor Swill
If Roe can fall, so can Social Security and Medicare
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6WzynvpeZPs>
Governor Swill
2024-09-13 23:59:30 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:38:25 -0500, Grimble Crumble
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
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Post by Ubiquitous
That is not true. Data produced by the IRS has shown that "on average all
income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not
the top 1 percent," according to Justin Haskins, writing in The Hill.
<https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/Trumps%20Tax%20Cuts%20Policy%20Paper.pdf>
Just decided to check your source for bias.

"The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian 501(c)(3)
nonprofit public policy think tank known for denying the scientific consensus on
climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking.[2]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute#>

How interesting. Looking for other analyses of the TCJA.

"The 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) made sweeping changes to America’s tax
laws. Signed into law by then-President Donald Trump and approved with only
Republican support in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, the TCJA
permanently slashed corporate tax rates and changed the way the nation taxes the
profits of U.S. multinational corporations.1 It also temporarily cut personal
income and estate taxes, changes that largely benefited the wealth."

"In the run-up to the law’s passage, Trump and his leading economic advisers
claimed that the benefits of the bill would trickle down, resulting in
substantial gains for U.S. workers and their families and for the U.S. economy
as a whole.2 Critics at the time argued that these claims were unlikely to come
to pass.3 Now, more than six years later, there is little evidence that the
law’s costly corporate tax cuts delivered promised growth or improved well-being
for the vast majority of the nation’s workforce. Instead, the law provided the
largest tax cuts to the wealthy and profitable corporations, exacerbated
inequality, and eroded revenues that could otherwise have been used to address
national priorities."
<https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-failed-to-deliver-promised-benefits/>

"Trickle down"

Now where have we heard THAT before?

"The actual amount of tax revenue collected in FY2018 was significantly lower
than the CBO’s projection made in January 2017—before the tax cut was signed
into law.

Given that the economy grew in 2018, and in the absence of another policy that
could have caused a large revenue loss, the data imply that the 2017 tax cut
substantially reduced revenues.

The 2017 tax cut reduced the top corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21
percent—a 40 percent reduction. It also reduced income taxes for most
Americans."

"Did the TCJA spur enough growth to maintain federal revenue levels?
While some TCJA supporters observe that nominal revenues were higher in fiscal
year 2018 (which began Oct. 1, 2017) than in FY2017, that comparison does not
address the question of the TCJA’s effects. Nominal revenues rise because of
inflation and economic growth. Adjusted for inflation, total revenues fell from
FY2017 to FY2018 (Figure 1). Adjusted for the size of the economy, they fell
even more."
<https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-the-2017-tax-cut-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-pay-for-itself/>

"What Is the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA)?

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) was a major overhaul of the tax code, signed
into law by President Donald Trump on Jan. 1, 2018.

The legislation included some of the biggest changes to the tax code in three
decades. The reform impacted both taxpayers and business owners alike,
particularly through tax cuts. Many of the tax reform benefits for individuals
will expire in 2025."

"TCJA brought sweeping changes to the tax code and impacted individuals
depending on their income level, filing status, and deductions. The law lowered
the corporate rate to 21% and enacted preferable tax treatment for pass-through
companies."
<https://www.investopedia.com/taxes/trumps-tax-reform-plan-explained/>

[ed. note It was pass through that almost bankrupted Kansas in a single tax
year when Brownback was governor. Basically, anybody could declare themselves a
corporate pass through entity and change their tax rate from earned income to
the more favorable corporate rate. So many taxpayers jumped in this that within
a year the State's school systems were at risk of closure.]

The most damning thing here is that the taxcuts for the wealthy and corporations
were made permanent but the cuts for middle and working class taxpayers expire
next year.

So this leaves a political quandary. If the party in power next year does not
extend those cuts, the public will see a tax increase. If they do, deficit
growth will continue unabated.
--
The difference between Jesus and Trump is, Jesus took his beating like
a man.

#nevertrump
NoBody
2024-09-14 13:20:42 UTC
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Post by Grimble Crumble
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
Taking a page out of her boss's playbook, Vice President Kamala Harris told
major whoppers during her Tuesday night debate against Donald Trump. With
help from left-wing activists masquerading as debate moderators, Harris
whitewashed her extreme record, lied about Trump's policy positions, and
more.
Here are some of the biggest falsehoods she told throughout the evening.
1. 'Middle-Class Kid'
Harris claimed that she grew up a "middle-class kid." That is not true. As
previously noted by journalist Megyn Kelly, Harris' father was a professor at
Stanford University, while her mother was a biomedical scientist at UC
Berkley.
Hold on, those 2 occupations at the very minimum placed her in the upper
class. According to data used by the Educational Resources Information
Center <https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED372123.pdf>, professors made,
at the very lowest during 1970-1988, $38,000 adjusted for 1990s' dollars
($91k for 2024 dollars); this alone would put her in the UPPER middle
class. Adding her mom's job (median of ~$83k
<https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Biomedical_Scientist/Salary>)
would DEFINITELY put her in the upper class
Yet another example of an attempt to be relatable just coming off wrong.
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
2. Trump's Tax Cuts
Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and
corporations.
These first two "Lies" are not lies, but are the truth, so I stopped there.
An argument unaddressed is an argument given up.
Post by John Doe
Now do Trump.
That's your job
Post by John Doe
Post by Ubiquitous
That is not true. Data produced by the IRS has shown that "on average all
income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not
the top 1 percent," according to Justin Haskins, writing in The Hill.
<https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/Trumps%20Tax%20Cuts%20Policy%20Paper.pdf>
How dare you fact-check Kamela? That's not permitted.
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